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Post by jamie on Sept 1, 2003 4:32:46 GMT -5
Even for her, this was an incredibly stupid thing to say.
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Post by Milk Monitor on Sept 1, 2003 4:37:31 GMT -5
Poor Kate. She is clearly worse than Kelly Brook ever was, I don't know why she's still on that show.
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Post by YumPOP on Sept 1, 2003 4:38:33 GMT -5
Even for her, this was an incredibly stupid thing to say. I know. Margaret Thatcher, a great leader? What a stupid thing to say. ;D Seriously, I take her point, as the piece of research they were discussing concludes that the oldest child will usually be more successful. But anything that varies from the 'Hitler was an evil, insane monster' on television has always been a no-go area for television. |
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Post by Jonny on Sept 1, 2003 4:54:31 GMT -5
If GCSE History has taught me anything, it's that Hitler transformed Germany totally from a poverty ridden hole to a pretty well off country.
This is always a good thing and therefore, he is a good leader.
Also, managing to convince an entire nation that Jews are responsible for the crapness of Germany is a pretty baffling feat. More Derren Brown than quality leadership, really.
Anyway, the point is he was a great leader- then he decided to invade Austria and Poland as well as killing Jews.
These things are bad and therefore he will go down in history as a mass murdering fuckhead- to halfquote Mr Izzard
And you don't say dull shit like that on TV because people like Jamie (if my memory serves) will rightly get very upset
I read on the weekend she was getting sacked anyway- so she may as well go out with a bang
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Post by jNyasu: Geekspert And Utopian on Sept 1, 2003 7:31:21 GMT -5
People have forgotten to get outraged about the fact that Kate had also said Saddam Hussein was a great leader.
But he was anyway, so it's a good thing that they arent mentioning it because it would be ever so blind.
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Post by Pandarama on Sept 1, 2003 8:03:43 GMT -5
These things are bad and therefore he will go down in history as a mass murdering fuckhead- to halfquote Mr Izzard If I remember correctly, it's all down to the fact that he was a vegetarian painter. "I can't get the trees right - DAMN! I will kill EVERYONE!"  Seriously, these academic arguments for why Hitler was a great leader of his time all make valid points - but does anyone seriously believe that Lights Off Lawler was actually thinking along these lines, rather than just uttering the first thing that came into her head as usual? |
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Post by YumPOP on Sept 1, 2003 8:50:07 GMT -5
Seriously, these academic arguments for why Hitler was a great leader of his time all make valid points - but does anyone seriously believe that Lights Off Lawler was actually thinking along these lines, rather than just uttering the first thing that came into her head as usual? Maybe she did the same GCSE History course as Jonny and I. ;D |
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Post by TallyHo... on Sept 1, 2003 10:28:17 GMT -5
If you wanted to be a despot then Hitler was a very good one and made Germany very sound economically etc from the charade it was stuck in the 1920's. He also managed to convince a nation to elect a virtual unknown and persuade the idiot nationalist elites to make him chancellor.......I guess he was just a bit crafty, the devil.
I do (or will do) History at Durham next year (get me hey) and did all this guff for a-level...he was still a nutter tho. Then so is Kate Lawler.
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Post by Antlerman Alfred Logan on Sept 1, 2003 13:50:27 GMT -5
napoloean were no hitler [or thatcher], but he was hardly a saint........
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Post by max on Sept 1, 2003 14:43:48 GMT -5
napoleon managed to get several hundred thousand of his own soldiers killed by refusing to listen to advice to retreat from Russia before winter bit hard. He managed to lose many many more by trekking pointlesly around Eygpt and the Sudan, untold thousands starved back in france due to his mismanagement of the economy and the strains of supporting his army and navy - i think he's a contender with Hitler for killing off his own countrymen, at the least. (bit of a comparative novice at the racial hatred and genocide though, admittedly) and, back on topic, please can we have Kate Lawler culled? She probably counts as a dumb animal.  |
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Post by YumPOP on Sept 1, 2003 15:20:18 GMT -5
I think he's a contender with Hitler for killing off his own countrymen, at the least. In this country we're pretty much okay with mass-slaughter - as long as it's the mass slaughterer's own people that are being slaughtered then that's just peachy. It was only when Hitler started slaughtering other people that we tapped him on the shoulder and said "um, excuse me, that's just not cricket, old man" in that wonderfully British way. Stalin? Who? |
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Post by Milk Monitor on Sept 1, 2003 15:38:50 GMT -5
Yeah I was going to say, technically Hitler was a great leader - but as Sexual Harassment Panda said, I doubt Kate would have thought of that.
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Post by Jonny on Sept 2, 2003 5:12:46 GMT -5
In this country we're pretty much okay with mass-slaughter - as long as it's the mass slaughterer's own people that are being slaughtered then that's just peachy. There is a very similar train of thought in this video  from which me and Mr Panda have already quoted from Anyway, continuing the Izzard quotage: Hitler killed the people next door. Aww. Silly man. After a while we won't stand for that. Izzard teaches history better than most teachers- and unravels Christianity before your very eyes in Circle |
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Post by YumPOP on Sept 2, 2003 5:19:06 GMT -5
There is a very similar train of thought in this video from which me and Mr Panda have already quoted from I know, I was trying to continue 20th century history as told by the trannie in big heels. I haven't got the video myself but I have seen it a few times - just not enough to quote from it. It is, however, on my Amazon wishlist so if you're feeling generous... ;D |
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Post by Pandarama on Sept 2, 2003 7:43:03 GMT -5
There is a very similar train of thought in this video from which me and Mr Panda have already quoted from Anyway, continuing the Izzard quotage: Hitler killed the people next door. Aww. Silly man. After a while we won't stand for that. Izzard teaches history better than most teachers- and unravels Christianity before your very eyes in Circle He really, really does. I've not watched all of Circle yet, but I love his re-telling of the Bible in Glorious, with James Mason as God, Sean Connery as Noah and Mrs Badcrumble as God's Mum. Particularly the bit about the flaws in the Noah's Ark plan that allowed all the evil ducks and fish to survive. |
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